Reverse???

[TOMCAT]

Heard last year from my local MB rep that a motor with reverse was in the works. I could have used it a few times this year. Any truth to that rumor?

[Lawman]

Glenn had a post on here last week about it.........Did a search for it and it looks like it might have been deleted. Probably to avoid too much herassment.

I think it is still a year or better out but from what I can remember he had two models. One with a vertical shaft that looked simular to a Prodrive but with out the full Power Reverse.......Just a conventional reverse. I also think it had 2 speeds forward.

The other was something that I would assume was simular to the Reverse on a Gator Tail. I think that I read it would be retrofittable to a sport frame........Not sure if it will be an option on the Lite and mini.

[TOMCAT]

The retro-fittable reverse is what I was told about. Was supposed to be out by this fall is what I heard two years ago when I bought my boat. Looking forward to hearing what Glenn has to say.

[Glenn]

Was designed three years ago, but put on the shelf.

We posted some prints a week ago with the fact tht we finally decided to release two types. We will run prototypes later this year and release it when we fell it is ready.

One model can bolt to a Sport.

[TOMCAT]

Do you currently have any time-line in mind? 6 months, 12 months, 18 months?

[Clow]

tomcat, I don't think you will get an answer that is of any real value on your last question and I am not being critical of Glenn being vague. In my opinion, and I may be wrong, I really get the feeling that it will be a while before anyone other than super top secret testers get their hands on a MB product that will go backwards under power.

When reverse is ready you will hear it here first----I can guarantee that!!

[archermatt]

I have a feeling it will be a pretty bullet proof system, if Glenn is holding it close till it's ready. What was the old commmercial for Ernest and Julio Gallow wine..."There will be no wine, before it's time",lol

[willydiver]

Originally Posted by archermatt

..."There will be no wine, before it's time",lol

That's classic!

[SeniorCoot]

I been running Mud motors for about 4 yrs and do not feel a real need for reverse--

[jasonphoto01]

ive been running them for several years and didnt realize how much it was worth to me till I ran one. I feel this is one factor that is REALLY holding back sales for mudbuddy. Its great for the launch and backing up when frogging as well as backing out of tight canals when you realize you cant go forward anymore and its impossible to turn the boat around.

[Gun Doc]

No question reverse would prove to be VERY useful a VERY small % of the time the motor runs. And it would be worth the expense. The issue, for me, comes from the fact that it is probably going to require a gear case. There are ways around this, but they aren't that easy to implement. With a gear case, you get a good deal of complication.

[Rocketman]

Originally Posted by jasonphoto01

ive been running them for several years and didnt realize how much it was worth to me till I ran one. I feel this is one factor that is REALLY holding back sales for mudbuddy. Its great for the launch and backing up when frogging as well as backing out of tight canals when you realize you cant go forward anymore and its impossible to turn the boat around.

Holding back sales of Mud Buddy...that's a laugh!:no:
Without reverse, you will put yourself automaticly in situations that donot require reverse. Plain and simple.

[jasonphoto01]

Originally Posted by Rocketman

Holding back sales of Mud Buddy...that's a laugh!:no:
Without reverse, you will put yourself automaticly in situations that donot require reverse. Plain and simple.

so you dont think more people would go mud buddy if they had reverse? I personally think hands down they would. Thats prodrive and gatortails largest selling point. I have driven every brand and i love all of them but i really like mudbuddy but i tell you my decision would have been alot easier if they had reverse. If they indeed do come out with some sort of bolt-on reverse id be willing to guarantee they would be on back order for awhile. I dont know where you hunt rocketman but where I hunt reverse is not a neccessity but is definently a plus. When you go froggin down canals and pull up into the bank to catch the frog you then have to pull out the pushpole and back your self away from the bank. When I go scouting in flooded timber im always going down canals to find potholes and other good spots that ppl in outboards cant get to. Im not a PD natzi like those fools on MMT but I do recognize that the lack of reverse for mudbuddies is a point on the negative side for ppl in the market for a new motor.

[Rocketman]

Originally Posted by jasonphoto01

so you dont think more people would go mud buddy if they had reverse? I personally think hands down they would. Thats prodrive and gatortails largest selling point. I have driven every brand and i love all of them but i really like mudbuddy but i tell you my decision would have been alot easier if they had reverse. If they indeed do come out with some sort of bolt-on reverse id be willing to guarantee they would be on back order for awhile. I dont know where you hunt rocketman but where I hunt reverse is not a neccessity but is definently a plus. When you go froggin down canals and pull up into the bank to catch the frog you then have to pull out the pushpole and back your self away from the bank. When I go scouting in flooded timber im always going down canals to find potholes and other good spots that ppl in outboards cant get to. Im not a PD natzi like those fools on MMT but I do recognize that the lack of reverse for mudbuddies is a point on the negative side for ppl in the market for a new motor.

I hunt and frog and flounder the same basic type of country that you hunt and I also feel what your saying. I'd rather push pole than spend the time it take to put some of those motors in reverse. I too have driven all there is to drive and they had reverse when I bought mine in 2006. Now this is my personal opinion and I didn't feel that you were touting anyones motor in particular. My statement was from a Marketing point of view. When it gets closer to huntin' season you will see where you can and cannot buy a motor. What I mean by that is that MB along with GT already have sales over what they can produce in a hurry, reverse or no reverse. And I'm not bragging on MB just an observation since I have gone through the waiting process for my rig like alot of others. One more thing is the service I have recieved from these manufacturers. I tried real hard to buy another brand first but ended up with a MB. Thank the Man upstairs. Like I think I said at first. I subcontiously don't put myself in a situation to need it, if
I can help it. And too, his is a well covered topic. you can read about this topic in the archives til your blue in the face but It doesn't seem to stop sales of MB. I do beleive that it does effect a certain percentage of buyers like yourself Jason. I don't know about you but I'm ready to go Huntin' but fishin' will have to do this weekend. Have a good one.

[Gun Doc]

For what it is worth, note the two brands with reverse have much different styles of reverse. The Prodrive takes too long for quick maneuvers at the dock, but if you have clearance to use it, it does provide serious reverse power. The Gator Tail is quick, but suffers from having to count on the thrust developed running a mud prop in reverse. So, if you have to have reverse, figure out what you most want it for, and thus what kind of reverse you want.

I still have trouble being willing to take on that gearbox. I may be more willing when/if Glenn brings one out because I will have a bit more faith in the testing and that he will stand behind it. But even then, I will have to think about it.

[jasonphoto01]

First off thanks rocketman for being civil and mature about the conversation...its hard to find that on some sites these days. Gun doc could you ellaborate more on the gearbox issue? For the record i own a MB 45 and GT as well as half own a PD on a GD (me and old friend were broke so we went in together on a rig) It is defenently a pain to get into reverse sometimes but it has saved me a few times. My ideal motor would be the mudbuddy with a full power reverse but that worked like a GTR. Anyways im with you on the hunting thing but fishing is the only option here too.

[Lawman]

Bring out the Gear Box..........I smashed the hell out of one of my spud pole pipes last week end trying to get to the dock in a bad tail wind.........

Maybe were some people launch it is not needed at all........but in Port Oconner TX...........some times it dangerious not to have it. Too many people jockying for position and the only time the wind is in yor favor is during a northern,

[Gun Doc]

Originally Posted by Lawman

Bring out the Gear Box..........I smashed the hell out of one of my spud pole pipes last week end trying to get to the dock in a bad tail wind.........

Maybe were some people launch it is not needed at all........but in Port Oconner TX...........some times it dangerious not to have it. Too many people jockying for position and the only time the wind is in yor favor is during a northern,

I do hear you about Port O'Conner (sp?) as there are not a lot of launching options. And wind is a problem on the coast in general. Reverse might be worth it to some people, and it might even be worth it to me. I'm just saying I got my rig because even though I still have a kick azz Shallow Sport it does what it does with a lot of complication and brute horsepower. I would run the flats 1) trying to make sure I didn't park that big heavy boat, 2) keeping an eye on the water pressure gauge and every other thing, and 3) Trying to look for fish. That's three things and two eyes, you do the math. So, I'm a real big fan of simple and reliable, that's all. So, there will almost certainly be a Shallow Sport for sale.

It is also true that most people don't look at a mud rig and automatically register "he doesn't have reverse." I hear you there too, bro'.

[Rocketman]

Originally Posted by jasonphoto01

so you dont think more people would go mud buddy if they had reverse? I personally think hands down they would. Thats prodrive and gatortails largest selling point. I have driven every brand and i love all of them but i really like mudbuddy but i tell you my decision would have been alot easier if they had reverse. If they indeed do come out with some sort of bolt-on reverse id be willing to guarantee they would be on back order for awhile. I dont know where you hunt rocketman but where I hunt reverse is not a neccessity but is definently a plus. When you go froggin down canals and pull up into the bank to catch the frog you then have to pull out the pushpole and back your self away from the bank. When I go scouting in flooded timber im always going down canals to find potholes and other good spots that ppl in outboards cant get to. Im not a PD natzi like those fools on MMT but I do recognize that the lack of reverse for mudbuddies is a point on the negative side for ppl in the market for a new motor.

Didn't mean to come off that abraisive....by the way, I just found a new implement for froggin', 17 Cal. A neighbor of mine took me and a couple of kids froggin' on a crawfish pond and we set in the truck and popped em' out the window and sent the kids in to get em. At the same time weeding out Moccosins...oh hell! I can't spell that. You know, them big stinkin' water snakes.

[BoatDR]

Originally Posted by Rocketman

You know, them big stinkin' water snakes.

Over here we call that target practice!!

[Rocketman]

Originally Posted by BoatDR

Over here we call that target practice!!

LOL.....y'all, I'm sure have a special way of cooking them too. haha

[BoatDR]

Nah, just in grease like everything else......duh.

[jasonphoto01]

yeah cant shoot frogs here but those 17's do make a squirrell head disappear!

[Lawman]

Originally Posted by jasonphoto01

yeah cant shoot frogs here but those 17's do make a squirrell head disappear!

Frogs are a Game Animal in LA.???????:WTF:

You can Bow fish for reds.............but you can't blast a frog......What is this world coming to?

[BoatDR]

We just grab em with our hands, whats the need to blast away good ammo that we could use for better purposes, like shooting beer cans so that they sink. You Tejans sure dont understand the outdoors very much do ya!!!!!

[Lawman]

Originally Posted by BoatDR

You Tejans sure dont understand the outdoors very much do ya!!!!!

[Lawman]

Originally Posted by BoatDR

We just grab em with our hands, whats the need to blast away good ammo that we could use for better purposes, like shooting beer cans so that they sink. You Tejans sure dont understand the outdoors very much do ya!!!!!

I understand just fine........I was just making an observation, thats all.

At least now I have a better understanding of how you guys make artifical reefs.:food-smiley-012:

[BoatDR]

Just trying to do my own little part for the enviroment.

[Rocketman]

Originally Posted by BoatDR

We just grab em with our hands, whats the need to blast away good ammo that we could use for better purposes, like shooting beer cans so that they sink. You Tejans sure dont understand the outdoors very much do ya!!!!!

Let it go Andy! Jelousy can only bring you further pain and Humiliation.

[Rocketman]

Originally Posted by BoatDR

We just grab em with our hands, whats the need to blast away good ammo that we could use for better purposes, like shooting beer cans so that they sink. You Tejans sure dont understand the outdoors very much do ya!!!!!

We can afford the Ammo because we're not in the ''Boat Business''